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		<title>By: Baggage Carousel 4 &#187; Archivio &#187; unsurprising, and unfortunate</title>
		<link>http://www.coldspaghetti.org/blog/2008/08/09/breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Baggage Carousel 4 &#187; Archivio &#187; unsurprising, and unfortunate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] outcome when the provision of health care services becomes a business venture. as my friend holly can attest, the result of this can be truly horrific. but even for those who are not trying to make the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.coldspaghetti.org/blog/2008/08/09/breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-94</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emmy... you got me wondering and web searching.  Would any new employer be able to assess your family as a condition of employment?  Or maybe this is small city syndrome, where everyone knows everyone else and anonymity in a job application is impossible?  

After all the time looking over health plans available here through individual/family purchase, I have to say that I was underwhelmed.  Not that they were all that radically different than other states, just that the range of benefits seemed more limited and exclusions were more than I had anticipated.  Also, if I were pregnant or thinking of becoming pregnant, there is not a chance that we could do this now.  I found ONE plan that included a pregnancy coverage... and it wasn&#039;t a great plan.  Scary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emmy&#8230; you got me wondering and web searching.  Would any new employer be able to assess your family as a condition of employment?  Or maybe this is small city syndrome, where everyone knows everyone else and anonymity in a job application is impossible?  </p>
<p>After all the time looking over health plans available here through individual/family purchase, I have to say that I was underwhelmed.  Not that they were all that radically different than other states, just that the range of benefits seemed more limited and exclusions were more than I had anticipated.  Also, if I were pregnant or thinking of becoming pregnant, there is not a chance that we could do this now.  I found ONE plan that included a pregnancy coverage&#8230; and it wasn&#8217;t a great plan.  Scary!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.coldspaghetti.org/blog/2008/08/09/breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!

Violet: if YOU can&#039;t get long term care as young as you are and as healthy and athletic as you are... I&#039;m terrified!  

Aunt Deb: I think you&#039;re right... as consumers we have to decide what is best, honesty or coverage.  I was wondering if I can abstain from filling out history forms in doctor&#039;s offices in the future.  I would rather do this and just be up front with the physician, face to face, then be dishonest on a form.  (Of course, finding someone who would put in the extra time a form saves would be a challenge.)

Crisco: I&#039;m okay.  Really.  I can introduce you to 100 other people who need a lot more worry than me.  This will work out, I have to believe it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Violet: if YOU can&#8217;t get long term care as young as you are and as healthy and athletic as you are&#8230; I&#8217;m terrified!  </p>
<p>Aunt Deb: I think you&#8217;re right&#8230; as consumers we have to decide what is best, honesty or coverage.  I was wondering if I can abstain from filling out history forms in doctor&#8217;s offices in the future.  I would rather do this and just be up front with the physician, face to face, then be dishonest on a form.  (Of course, finding someone who would put in the extra time a form saves would be a challenge.)</p>
<p>Crisco: I&#8217;m okay.  Really.  I can introduce you to 100 other people who need a lot more worry than me.  This will work out, I have to believe it will.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Deb</title>
		<link>http://www.coldspaghetti.org/blog/2008/08/09/breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunt Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly, 
I hope that your problems get solved. 

I am working on a problem with my records that got into another ladys records (We share the same name).  They told me that I have never had the surgery and I have no rights to get my data from her file. I told the offending facility that I had had the surgery and they had mixed up the billing.  Now they tell me that they don&#039;t have such a person in their database.  Wrong I say the computer monitor with 3 of us listed.  I know the #2 person with the same name - my daughter-in-law.  I just want to show up at the hospital and put my leg up on the counter and say &quot;Look at the scar, do you think I&#039;m imagining this?&quot;

One of the interesting facts I have learned is the hospitals are only keeping the records for seven years.  If you had anything that the insurance companies would deem negative longer than seven years ago- Do you have to list it on your application?  You should be honest but???  What is the world coming to when you have to decide between honesty and health insurance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly,<br />
I hope that your problems get solved. </p>
<p>I am working on a problem with my records that got into another ladys records (We share the same name).  They told me that I have never had the surgery and I have no rights to get my data from her file. I told the offending facility that I had had the surgery and they had mixed up the billing.  Now they tell me that they don&#8217;t have such a person in their database.  Wrong I say the computer monitor with 3 of us listed.  I know the #2 person with the same name &#8211; my daughter-in-law.  I just want to show up at the hospital and put my leg up on the counter and say &#8220;Look at the scar, do you think I&#8217;m imagining this?&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the interesting facts I have learned is the hospitals are only keeping the records for seven years.  If you had anything that the insurance companies would deem negative longer than seven years ago- Do you have to list it on your application?  You should be honest but???  What is the world coming to when you have to decide between honesty and health insurance?</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly I am really worried about you. Really worried.

The problem with health insurance in America is that it&#039;s run as if it&#039;s a stock market. You have a history that health care brokers perceive a certain way, so those are selling you short, literally. Like brokers you pretty much have to game the system to win.

You do have a lot to give to a community. Doesn&#039;t always mean that you should. We live in a Darwinistic society. Wishing that it were different doesn&#039;t change that. It just makes you more vulnerable to being taken advantage of by systems and persons who have no such doubts. So take care of yourself right now, first and foremost. Then, when you have some measure of security, then help others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly I am really worried about you. Really worried.</p>
<p>The problem with health insurance in America is that it&#8217;s run as if it&#8217;s a stock market. You have a history that health care brokers perceive a certain way, so those are selling you short, literally. Like brokers you pretty much have to game the system to win.</p>
<p>You do have a lot to give to a community. Doesn&#8217;t always mean that you should. We live in a Darwinistic society. Wishing that it were different doesn&#8217;t change that. It just makes you more vulnerable to being taken advantage of by systems and persons who have no such doubts. So take care of yourself right now, first and foremost. Then, when you have some measure of security, then help others.</p>
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		<title>By: Violet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel your pain.  I was just turned down for long-term care insurance because I have bad knees and admitted that I was planning to undergo bilateral replacement in January.  They never would have known this if I hadn&#039;t disclosed it. This procedure (which has risks, yes, but fairly minimal) will actually ensure my ability to get around as I get older.  I am only a few pounds overweight, I have a great heart an great vitals otherwise, but I can&#039;t be covered.  

Ridiculous.  What is the point of having insurance if the policy holder must assume all of the risk?

Violet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel your pain.  I was just turned down for long-term care insurance because I have bad knees and admitted that I was planning to undergo bilateral replacement in January.  They never would have known this if I hadn&#8217;t disclosed it. This procedure (which has risks, yes, but fairly minimal) will actually ensure my ability to get around as I get older.  I am only a few pounds overweight, I have a great heart an great vitals otherwise, but I can&#8217;t be covered.  </p>
<p>Ridiculous.  What is the point of having insurance if the policy holder must assume all of the risk?</p>
<p>Violet</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.coldspaghetti.org/blog/2008/08/09/breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we were in a group plan, it wouldn&#039;t be an issue.  It makes me glad that we&#039;ve made this jump to self-employment NOW... and not 10 years from now when we may have longer health histories.  It&#039;s amazing how the agencies can treat individuals and families looking for plans.  They can do whatever they want, charge whatever they want, and just generally be like any other business.  Privatized health care does not foster preventative medicine.  (Nor does it foster a healthy population -- particularly for those in vulnerable socio-economic positions.)  The audacity of it is galling.  How can physicians be expected to practice medicine?  How can a patient approach their health in a confident manner?  

Corporate profit at the expense of others is absolutely vile.  That we, the wealthiest country on the planet, have not moved on from such an uninspired, unlighted model is an embarrassment.  

But it feels better to have openly complained about it.  Again.  It helps me to figure out how to make the next step...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we were in a group plan, it wouldn&#8217;t be an issue.  It makes me glad that we&#8217;ve made this jump to self-employment NOW&#8230; and not 10 years from now when we may have longer health histories.  It&#8217;s amazing how the agencies can treat individuals and families looking for plans.  They can do whatever they want, charge whatever they want, and just generally be like any other business.  Privatized health care does not foster preventative medicine.  (Nor does it foster a healthy population &#8212; particularly for those in vulnerable socio-economic positions.)  The audacity of it is galling.  How can physicians be expected to practice medicine?  How can a patient approach their health in a confident manner?  </p>
<p>Corporate profit at the expense of others is absolutely vile.  That we, the wealthiest country on the planet, have not moved on from such an uninspired, unlighted model is an embarrassment.  </p>
<p>But it feels better to have openly complained about it.  Again.  It helps me to figure out how to make the next step&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: shokufeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>shokufeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh.  I am so sorry.  I know the stress of not being insured, and can&#039;t imagine how it would be with other people involved - ones I&#039;m supposed to be caring for, but the system is robbing me of my ability to do so.  It truly is enough to make a person sick, even if you were okay to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh.  I am so sorry.  I know the stress of not being insured, and can&#8217;t imagine how it would be with other people involved &#8211; ones I&#8217;m supposed to be caring for, but the system is robbing me of my ability to do so.  It truly is enough to make a person sick, even if you were okay to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really sucks, and is very scary.

It seems like a cautionary tale: Never leave a job you hate, for fear of having to change providers.

This has us reconsidering our family employment options: Kevin was planning on seeking other work, but Elliot would clearly be seen as a &quot;health liability&quot; to any company.

What a crock--to only have health care available to you if you absolutely don&#039;t need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really sucks, and is very scary.</p>
<p>It seems like a cautionary tale: Never leave a job you hate, for fear of having to change providers.</p>
<p>This has us reconsidering our family employment options: Kevin was planning on seeking other work, but Elliot would clearly be seen as a &#8220;health liability&#8221; to any company.</p>
<p>What a crock&#8211;to only have health care available to you if you absolutely don&#8217;t need it.</p>
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